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excessive fine

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A quick definition of excessive fine:

Excessive Fine: An excessive fine is a punishment that is too high and unfair for the crime committed. It can be a large amount of money that someone has to pay as a penalty for breaking the law. The Eighth Amendment of the United States Constitution prohibits excessive fines. For example, if someone's property is taken away as a punishment, but it was not related to the crime they committed, and the value of the property is not proportional to their wrongdoing, it would be considered an excessive fine.

A more thorough explanation:

An excessive fine is a punishment in the form of a monetary penalty that is unreasonably high and disproportionate to the offense committed. This type of fine can seriously impair one's earning capacity, especially from a business. The Eighth Amendment of the United States Constitution prohibits excessive fines.

For example, a civil forfeiture in which the property was not an instrumentality of the crime and the worth of the property was not proportional to the owner's culpability is considered an excessive fine. Another example is a fine that is so high that it bankrupts a business, causing it to shut down.

These examples illustrate how an excessive fine can be unfair and unjust, causing harm to individuals and businesses beyond what is reasonable for the offense committed.

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BulbasaurNoLikeCardio
12:31
My three remaining school all said December with one saying as late a February 7th so I should be set. I got accepted into a school I like already but waiting on schools I like more
12:31
I know people who have gotten off waitlists a week before classes start
babycat
12:31
oh hell yeah rooting for you bulbasaur
12:32
I wouldn't want to move across the country in a week but I'd do it in a heartbeat for certain schools
12:32
bruce eat shit and die
babycat
12:32
which schools are your “move across the country in a week” schools?
12:32
Basically the only one I would have a shot at is Wash U
BulbasaurNoLikeCardio
12:32
I would not be able to play the waitlist game, if I was a single college kid but I got a baby coming in a few weeks, and a whole household I would have to move. I think I got a decent chance at 2/3 schools. I aimed based more on location then prestige
12:33
I'm basically ineligible for the T14 due to GPA so not even applying but those for sure
babycat
12:34
I feel like if you would move across the country for a school it’s worth applying
BulbasaurNoLikeCardio
12:34
specially if you can get a fee waiver from the school
12:34
I think I have like a 0% chance though
12:35
people with my gpa have been accepted to T14s but not many and the ones I know are very impressive people that have a lot going for their app. I don't really have that much
BulbasaurNoLikeCardio
12:36
My reach I feel is the same chance but it was free so why not change a few words in my essays and send it
BulbasaurNoLikeCardio
12:36
I got a poop ugpa and LSAT compared to most but decent enough softs and WE shit may be worth the shot
JumpySubsequentDolphin
12:37
@BruceSutter: you have a great lsat score, why not ED to one of them? you never know, especially if you have a GPA addendum or smth (if there’s a specific external factor that contributed to a lower GPA)
Is barkelay sending out WL?
12:39
I don't have a great explanation for my GPA. I was lazy and unmotivated. Now I'm not. Just believe me please. That's about it
babycat
12:39
Haha happens to the best of us
HopefullyInLawSchool
12:40
@BruceSutter: so real
JumpySubsequentDolphin
12:40
still feels like it might be worth a shot to ED. I think duke’s ED II app deadline hasn’t passed, right?
12:41
@JumpySubsequentDolphin: you know schools that are like 350th ranked have people with 170+ lsats, right? GPA and all that does play a role and bruce is likely not getting what he wants
HopefullyInLawSchool
12:42
Whats the point of being self defeating and never trying tho?
350th ranked law school: https://www.freedomlawschool.org
babycat
12:43
new question for folks here, do you think being kjd demonstrably hurts your application?
JumpySubsequentDolphin
12:43
hopefully not 😀
WorthlessAttractiveZombie
12:43
That’s incredible lion
yeah duke ed 2 is in jan, i think if i don't get in berk ed i'll do that assuming that i haven't gotten a decision from them by that point
12:43
haha i said "like," my local school is like 300-500th depending on year and they usually have 5+ 170+ scorers
2big2fail
12:44
i cant imagine it hurts your application if you demonstrate purpose and direction. the problem with some kjds is they dont really know what they want with life yet
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