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fair play and substantial justice

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A quick definition of fair play and substantial justice:

Fair play and substantial justice refers to the requirement that a court must be fair when asserting its power over someone who doesn't live in the same place as the court. This means that the court must have a good reason to make a decision about that person, and the decision must be fair. The court can only do this if the person has some kind of connection to the place where the court is located, like doing business there. This is called minimum contacts. There used to be a list of the lowest fees that lawyers could charge, but this is no longer allowed because it broke antitrust laws.

A more thorough explanation:

Fair play and substantial justice refer to the requirement that a court must meet in its assertion of personal jurisdiction over a nonresident defendant to comply with due process. This means that the court must ensure that the defendant's connections to the forum state are substantial enough to bring them within the court's jurisdiction without violating traditional notions of fairness and justice.

Minimum contacts refer to a nonresident defendant's connections to the forum state, such as business activity or actions that could lead to business activity. These connections must be significant enough to justify the court's exercise of personal jurisdiction over the defendant without violating the principles of fair play and substantial justice.

For example, if a company based in California sells products to customers in New York, it may be subject to personal jurisdiction in New York if it has sufficient minimum contacts with the state. This could include having a physical presence in the state, such as a store or office, or regularly conducting business with customers in the state.

A minimum-fee schedule is a list of the lowest fees that a lawyer may charge, set by a state bar association. However, these schedules are now defunct because they violated antitrust laws.

For example, if a state bar association sets a minimum fee of $500 for all lawyers, this would be considered a violation of antitrust laws because it restricts competition among lawyers and prevents them from setting their own prices based on market demand.

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17:42
@KnowledgeableRitzyWasp: thats very ithica of you, wasp.
texaslawhopefully
17:44
@KnowledgeableRitzyWasp: Out of curiosity, since you're in law school and prolly know fedsoc people, how conservative do you think you have to be to be in fedsoc? Like is a david french sort of conservative fairly common in it, or is it the maga type people mainly
i dont interact with any fedsoc people, but i dont know any maga people at cornell. but the student body overwhelmingly leans left, so i think they might not be comfortable showing that theyre conservative if that makes sense?
one time a guy kind of crashed out about masks in conlaw
but that's the most ive seen
texaslawhopefully
17:47
Yeah, that does make sense. I would like to join fedsoc, but I'm also, clearly, very opposed to Trump and where the GOP has gone.
if you join fedsoc and go for clerking and eventually become a judge. you will be pinholed into maga politics as long as maga is the predominant conservative stance
Idk if @irishdinosaur is online but congrats on UCLA!!
next you will say you want to be the first black kkk grand wizard
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texaslawhopefully
18:00
yes congrats irishdinosaur! that's incredible
18:03
@IrishDinosaur: you inspire me and my completely misguided cope that I might ever get into UCLA
Super big congrats irish!!!
Also pretty much agree with Wasp. I think it’s more about getting the political/judicial position as a Fedsoc member that will likely require a stance siding with whatever the conservative majority party is at that time.
texaslawhopefully
18:07
Yeah, that's fair. I guess I need to think about it more assuming I start law school in the fall. I really want to clerk and that seems like the best option.
BUT i think once you get the position, you’ll have more leeway in making decisions more liberally. Sort of like how ACB and Gorsuch sometimes swing left after being portreayed in the media as far right (not sure if that was actually the case though).
From the perspective of someone who interned at the White House, I will add that my bosses always told me to “be careful about my resume.” Don’t want to align with any org that doesn’t fit your values because you won’t be trusted by the other side until you show them you’re legit again, and word travels in DC.
texaslawhopefully
18:10
I mean I highly highly doubt I'll become a federal judge, it's more just about getting a leg up in getting opportunities in the first place
Not sure how that true that is in practice and sorry for the long messages💀
texaslawhopefully
18:10
And, yeah, that's fair. Right now my resume probably looks like it's from someone who is center-right
Honestly, it just depends on your values. If you ever see yourself being a dem member in any capacity, then MAYBE stay away. But like you just said, there’s a possibility to look moderate with the right WE post law school.
texaslawhopefully
18:12
Yeah, that's true as well. As a side note, it's very cool you interned with the white house, I know those internships are incredibly hard to get
Dkk
18:12
A lot of conservativism right now is also just be as aggressive and unwilling to compromise in decision making right now because the left is out there in lets appeal to 1% of the population land so proposals brought to the table by them are 1, insane and 2, all or nothing proposals with no compromise.
Dkk
18:12
It's a bad time to be partisan really in any way.
I had to apply 4 times and got off the WL so I barely got it. It was a cool exp but def not any work crazier than you would see on capitol hill or any political org imo.
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